[Fwd: Re: [OpenVerse] Speech and other sounds]

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Subject: Re: [OpenVerse] Speech and other sounds
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:01:21 -0600
From: echo@bucket.ualr.edu
To: Alex Quintana <hillie@atonal.org>
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Alex Quintana wrote:
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> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Jon Winters wrote:
> > /. had a story recently on a very early pre-alpha version of a 3D
> > windowmanager.  Might be worthwile to join their developer mailing list
> > and pay attention to how things are taking shape.
> >
> > I imagine the future where everyone has a 3D windowmanager and a OpenVerse
> > like application has replaced the web browser.
> 
> I must strongly disagree on this.  I have seen the images of this '3D' WM
> and it looks, no offense and for lack of a better word, stupid, imo.

While I agree with this... It might have limited usefulness.

> 
> I mean, it has the apps as a flat screen that can be rotated.. just like
> that OpenGL/3dfx or whatever front-end for MAME (Multi Arcade Game
> Emulator).. but there is at least some purpose in the MAME frontend, like
> where you can have a 3D rendition of an arcade machine and the screen is
> tilted like it is in the arcade.
> 
> > The desktop becomes the OpenVerse.  The new graphics cards coming out
> > today can handle the overhead of a 3D shell.  Why has everyone but the
> > gamers remained in the Window Icon Mouse Pointer (WIMP) paradigm?
> 
> because in games, there is a practicalness to 3D.  You can actually make a
> 3D game work.  Applications are generally 2D.  I mean, why doesn't Star
> Division release a 3D version of Star Office? because it's not practical.
> 
> since most apps are 2D, it seems silly and unpractical to make a 3D WM,
> when most things will still be flat.
> 
> as for 3D _applications_ .. just .... go watch jurassic park, in the part
> where the little girl goes to the computer screen and says "This is a UNIX
> system!! I know this!!" and it's some totally off-the-wall unrealistic 3D
> view of directories or something, and definitely nothing like any UNIX
> system I ever saw, but that's beside the point :)
> 

Actually ;) That's a 3D filemanager that COMES with Irix on SGI
machines...

> just take a good look and think if you want that to be the future of the
> desktop :) I certainly don't :)
> 
> I like the 2D mouse pointer and windows :)
> 
> but as to a 3D openverse type thing, that would be cool, and some things
> like that do exist, and charge you a membership fee and stuff like that
> (ie. Ultra Worlds, or something like that).. but it's not gonna happen in
> tcl/tk :)
> 

You might look at the story on Slashdot about the doom engine hacked to
let you walk around killing processes... could someone take the doom
engine and write an Openverse client for it?

> > Add too many cheesey features to OpenVerse and its going to start looking
> > more like Microsoft "Bob" than the Metaverse.  (remember MS "Bob"?!?) :-)
> 
> I agree here. gotta be careful once you start talking about having sounds
> for every single event and stuff like that :) don't wanna take it too far.
> 
> .auddpltes <<
> 
>        "...in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's
>                         the point?" - James Cameron
> 
>                        Hillie  (hillie@amigascne.org)
>                            http://www.atonal.org/
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